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[Shrinkwrapped], hi — is [Siggy] with you?
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Okay — okay. [Siggy] is call — hang on. Hello? Oh, hang on. Hello?
I thought that was a — that was a pretty — that was a pretty good podcast, don’t you think?
Yeah. [pause] He overreact — he overreacted. So our psychological instincts are — [pause] Why did he ban them, though?
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Is Vlaams Belang a person? [pause] No, he’s not a person, is he? [pause] Yeah — OK.
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You think — you think they’re kidding themselves? But I — I totally agree that — I think that there’s — it’s very likely that they still have the neo-Nazi ties. My — my issue is not with that, because I think eventually, if — if that is there, then Dymphna and everybody are gonna see it, and they’ll have to do what they have to do. But the issue — but — wait, wait, wait, Siggy! The issue is — the issue is Charles’s banning Fjordman, banning — [pause] Yeah, he did.
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Yeah, but you know what I think? I think Charles has a personal thing involved in this. All of his behavior suggests -
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(34:36)
Exactly, exactly. I think that that’s a reasonable approach. Um, and I think — you know, I think we should be very cautious, that, that, um, Charles has, um, raised the flag, and he’s got pictures to show that they still have the white supremacist symbols and everything else.
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[inaudible] tuxedo. [pause, sound of pen scratching] Yeah. It’s still — anyway — [pause] I have no — [pause] right — [pause] right -
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Well, what about Fjordman? He doesn’t strike — he’s not a neo-Nazi, and he’s really unclear about -
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Well, we’ll see! Anyway… [pause] Right…
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All right, that other — you know what — I wonder if that — [pause] I wonder if that other person that called in was the Christine, from the, uh, from the, from [pause] Well, both — both hers and Dymphna’s voice were quivering with outrage. [pause] And they were ready to attack us, they were ready to attack us. When they should have just wanted to attack you. [laughs, pause] Yeah.
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No, I think it’s — I think it’s more what Robert Spencer said, and I read his blog. He feels that more Europeans don’t wanna have anything to do with the Counterjihad movement because of the association of these groups. [pause, pen scratching] Yeah. [pause] Yeah. That’s why they bend over backwards to try not to offend the Muslims; they don’t want to be accused of it. And the Muslim leadership knows this, and so, you know, making the attack: “Oh, you’re acting like Nazis”, that will make them back off, no matter how outrageous anything they do is… So… [pause] OK. [pause, pen scratching] All right. [pause, chuckles] I’m going to California tomorrow. [pause] Yeah… Yeah, take care, you too. Bye. [pause] Yeah, I’m still here. Well, I was surprised she stayed on the line pretty, uh, long, to wait for me to answer the phone there, but… um, I think it would have been impolite for us to attack her on our show. But I wanted to attack that first person, who I thought was very rude.
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Right… Well, [indistinct] has voters also; that doesn’t make a lot of their positions legitimate. [pause] Adolf Hitler. Right… So… They — [pause] Yeah, it doesn’t become you. [pause, laughs, pause] I think Americans are in over their head about this. We don’t understand all the dynamics, and that was the point I was getting at — we don’t understand all the dynamics going on over there. Now Fjordman, who I think is a reasonable person, if you read through his piece, what he is arguing, and what I saw [underneath this] all, is “Come on, guys! We don’t have anybody else to ally ourselves with. Right. [pause, pen scratching] See, and I — I think the problem is that too much of Europe is on the Left, and this is not going to go that route; they’re just too sensitized to being called fascists, and Nazis, and… [pause, pen scratching]
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Well, I — what would it take to have another party? I mean, why can’t these people start their own party? The Counterjihad party… You know, I don’t understand — I think — I agree with you. I think Charles’ position is morally correct… All right — I — But what makes me kind of surprised is his vehemence about… wh… Why? [pause] How does he know that? [pause] How does he know that, though? How do you think he knows that?
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Well, it certainly — they certainly are emotional when they talk about [indistinct], and I have no strong feelings one way or the other; I — I feel like, well, let’s wait and see. [pause] Well, but yeah, they’re scared. Dymphna was scared. Dymphna was scared. You know, and I think she didn’t want us to come down against them. Which is why I didn’t wanna really talk the way that that first commenter — that first person was talking… mm.. so, yeah…
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We had lots of people listening in, by the way, and big — a lot of comments going on in the thread. [pause, reading] “Oh, well… All four, all four of my favorite people in one place; there is a God… And, oh… [inaudible, pause] And, um, does anyone know how to install Windows Media Center? [laughs] I don’t know, it has the [indistinct] — great listening — I’ll listen to the archives show so I can hear the ending. I keep getting the message, ‘unsupported operating system [indistinct]’…
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All right, lemme go look and see about a segment here… archives on that… But, no, I thought, I thought that was a pretty spirited discussion.
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Oh my goodness, we had fifty-three live people listening… Fifty-three! That’s pretty incredible.
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All right — where… and… uh… where are you not gonna be nice about it — on your blog? [pause] OK. [indistinct] Well, I think what you — I think what you should — can I tell you this? I think what you should do is, you should say that, uh… You know what would be helpful? Is to find a — a way for them to… um… get out… uh… with their dignity intact.
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You… you think it’s too late for that? Because that would really hurt the whole movement here, and I’m sure the Islamists would like nothing better than for all these, um, these Counterjihad sites to — to fight among themselves, like we are gleeful when the Democrats fight among themselves. [pause] Well… [pause] Well, not when we’re not speaking to each other! I mean, healthy debate is one thing — and can’t we get this back to a healthy debate?
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He should talk about that. He doesn’t talk about that. [pause] You know, and it’s one thing to take them off because you have your reasons; it’s another thing to not — not bother to mention those reasons, and expect everyone to agree with you. You know, this reminds me, back — you’ve heard about the Objectivism feud, right? Between Ayn Rand and — this reminds me exactly of that. That Charles is in the Ayn Rand position, which is — and I — you know, I can’t help but notice parallels — where she basically said, you know, “They did something evil, and that’s it, we’re done,” and she would not go into it. And the other side is very emotional; they wrote tracts and letters, just like — you know — Dymphna and Fjordman and him are doing, in order to justify themselves, and to put the whole story out there, and — and Rand just stood above it all, and said, “That’s it. I’m done. You’re out.“ — kind of thing, and that’s sort of what Charles has done. And I, I want him to explain himself. And, you know, OK, fine, he’s the exclusive neo-Nazi -
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Well, I — I think, like I said, I think he’s right, and, I think that the, the, uh — true colors of VB will come out if they really have these connections, and if their leadership has these connections… um… and it may be too late for the other European Counterjihad groups -
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Well, listen, do me a favor: read, read the uh, the, the uh, links that I sent and the article from, um, the Vigilant Freedom people, because they went through point by point, just like that person was saying, about each one of these groups… OK, and how they weren’t neo-Nazis. We think that they do protest too much… Right, I, I mean, obviously, you can’t purge every single person in your organization who has neo-Nazi thoughts. You know, the question is, is it, is it there, is it gonna come out? And if it’s there, and if it’s part of what they’re all about, it will show up. You can’t hide that kind of white suprema — supremacy, I mean.
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Uh-huh… Yeah, right. I don’t, I don’t think it’s a neo-Nazi party issue, a party of… of, um, rational [chuckles] [indistinct] people. By the way, I’m sorry I told you — I didn’t tell you to shut up, did I? Oh, OK… [chuckles] Yeah, but I, I was trying to keep, keep it on track there; I didn’t want to get too caught up in what that woman was — Did I? [pause, very faint] Oh. Thanks a lot.
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It’d be interesting to hear what, um, Wretchard has to say about it, because he was the original sponsor of Gates of Vienna. He hasn’t said anything yet. Anyway, I, I feel bad for Dymphna and the Baron; I think that they, um… Well, I’m — and they’re connected too closely to Fjordman, who, who blogs on their site, basically, and as the Baron said in that post I linked to, um, you know, if, uh, the Counterjihad is gonna accomplish anything in Europe, it’s gonna be because of people like Fjordman. [pause] And they’d already be way too late, but… [indistinct exclamation] What am I doing talking to you now? [pause, laughs] It’s like God, isn’t it? [chuckles] I — I — no [garbled] What if I disagreed with you, and banned you? [pause] Wouldn’t you wanna discuss it?
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Well, their feelings are hurt. And I think, you know, Charles, Charles is pretty, you know, he gets attacked quite a bit. That’s why I’m surprised that he would kinda — I — getting attacked by your friends, I mean, that’s, maybe that’s what put him over the edge. You know, by people he considered his friends.
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No, I agree. I mean, I, I, I — if, if you wanna know where I stand, I stand exactly where Charles does. Which is that, um, these people look pretty shady to me, and why are you hanging out with them? Now, grant that I don’t know — have as much information about them, but just reading Charles’s posts and showing the photos of them, I go, “Ooh, this, this is kind of, uh” — you know, I’d be really worried about this. It’s sort of like, it’s sort of like, uh, ANSWER, you know. Do they wanna become another ANSWER? Where there are some groups in there like the Episcopal Church, you know, why are they associating themselves with, with nutjob groups like Code Pink and the Communist Party?
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Shoot, her voice was quivering… Shoot, I mean… [indistinct, pause] Well… There are, like you said, reputations and everything on the line here… So, I think that that’s — what, it’s more than reputations, though; it really is personal. That’s why, that’s why it’s… um… painful to watch. On a completely other topic, I really, really — I wish I weren’t gonna be traveling, because I just wanna get that bastard Hugo Chavez. I wanna write about him… Did you see the latest stuff? [pause] My computer? Yeah, but I’m not gonna have time to sit around and think about stuff. [pause] Well, I can’t do it on the flight. [pause] Internet provider. [pause] Well, I can’t post it. [pause] Well, I, I like having… connection… Well, anyway: Hugo Chavez. You see, he’s meeting with Mahmoud. This is the perfect tie-in to your — to a Sanity Squad — not Sanity — to a Carnival thing. I wanna, I wanna put him and Mahmoud on the couch together and I could say, “Now, stop hugging, you two!” [laughs] There’s so much that could be done with that… if you wanted to… [inaudibly whispers something] OK, well, um… Yeah, you can go to sleep. [pause] Well, I’m glad. Notice I didn’t say anything to [Shrinkwrapped] about the computer. [pause] I won’t. [pause] OK. All right. All right, you take care. If I — If, if you can’t, or if you sleep late, or whatever, I’ll probably give you a call while we’re in the airplane in Phoenix or something. [pause] All right. All right. And I’ll, I’ll be in touch. Good night. Sleep well. Bye.